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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/06/pro-life-means-pro-life/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Former abortion practitioner Bernard Nathanson, who has since converted to the pro-life position, was a former mentor of George Tiller, the slain late-term abortion practitioner. In a new interview, Nathanson said he was surprised that Tiller never became pro-life himself because of new medical technologies.
http://www.lifenews.com/state4235.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Former abortion practitioner Bernard Nathanson, who has since converted to the pro-life position, was a former mentor of George Tiller, the slain late-term abortion practitioner. In a new interview, Nathanson said he was surprised that Tiller never became pro-life himself because of new medical technologies.<br />
<a href="http://www.lifenews.com/state4235.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lifenews.com/state4235.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/06/pro-life-means-pro-life/comment-page-1/#comment-199</link>
		<dc:creator>rj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 05:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked into your accusations, and it seems you don&#039;t have all the facts straight. 

You are right that Shelley Shannon was at one time connected with Operation Rescue; however, sometime in 1991 she left Operation Rescue and the pro-life movement to pursue anti-life anti-abortion activities. These activities included setting fires at several abortion clinics in Oregon, California, Idaho and Nevada, and on August 19, 1993, shooting Dr. George Tiller. These activities took place after she left Operation Rescue and the pro-life movement.

Cheryl Sullenger went the opposite direction. She was involved in anti-life anti-abortion activities until she was arrested in 1988 when she confessed to a conspiracy to bomb the Alvarado Medical Center abortion clinic. After serving two years in prison, she joined the real pro-life movement and renounced all violence. She now works as a Senior Policy Advisor for Operation Rescue and serves on the Central Committee of the 75th District of the San Diego Republican Party.

Scott Roeder was never allied with the pro-life movement. This is the statement released by Operation Rescue:



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Scott Roeder has never been a member, contributor, or volunteer with Operation Rescue. Mr. Roeder may have posted to our open blog web site, as have thousands of members of the public, including those with pro-abortion views, but he is not affiliated with this organization.

We deplore the criminal actions with which Mr. Roeder is accused.

The pro-life ethic is to value all human life from the moment of conception until natural death. Operation Rescue has diligently and successfully worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see to it that abortionists around the nation are brought to justice. Without due process, there can be no justice.

In spite of these horrific events, we remain dedicated to working through all peaceful and legal means available to bring an end to the killing of innocent children through abortion.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As to Cheryl Sullenger&#039;s connection with Scott Roeder, this is her response:

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He would call and say, &#039;When does court start? When&#039;s the next hearing?&#039; I was polite enough to give him the information. I had no reason not to. Who knew? Who knew, you know what I mean?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As to Mark Holick and Fred Phelps, I can&#039;t take anyone seriously who groups them with ligament pro-life leaders like Archbishop Joseph Naumann (by the very nature of their office, all Catholic bishops are pro-life leaders). 

Mark Holick is most famous for his sign that said, &quot;America We Have a Muslim President This is a Sin Against The Lord! Ex. 20:3.&quot; Mr. Holick seems to be under some delusion that the U.S. is some sort of Christian Holy Land. Even if President Obama where a Muslim, I fail to see how that violates the First Commandment. If Mr. Holick really did say that Dr. Tiller&#039;s murder was &quot;a miracle,&quot; he just proved that he&#039;s not really pro-life, and his willingness to follow Christ&#039;s commandment to &quot;love your enemies&quot; is very questionable.

Fred Phelps also seems to have a problem loving his enemies. I even wonder if you can really call him a Christian. The Christian God is a God of love. Mr. Phelps&#039; god appears to be a god of hate. This is evident in the slogans of his church, such as the one you pointed out, &quot;God Hates Fags.&quot; All followers of Christ should be completely appalled at such an insensitive and offensive statement. Another offensive slogan from this church is &quot;Priests Rape Boys.&quot; The anti-Catholic views of Mr. Phelps&#039; church were clearly seen on their website the day after Pope John Paul II died. An altered photo of the pope appeared with horns emanating from his forehead with this caption:



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Deal with it, you idolatrous morons! The pope is in Hell. Westboro Baptist Church members are competent expert witnesses, having picketed hundreds of Catholic churches in all fifty states over the past fourteen years. We will bear witness on Judgment Day: Catholics are the meanest, most violent people on Earth, and their churches are filled with filthy fag priests. On John Paul II&#039;s watch, the Catholic Church became the CHURCH OF THE HOLY PEDOPHILES and sodomite feces and semen replaced bread and wine.&quot;
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I stand by the statement that Scott Roeder has no connection to any legitimate pro-life organisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked into your accusations, and it seems you don&#8217;t have all the facts straight. </p>
<p>You are right that Shelley Shannon was at one time connected with Operation Rescue; however, sometime in 1991 she left Operation Rescue and the pro-life movement to pursue anti-life anti-abortion activities. These activities included setting fires at several abortion clinics in Oregon, California, Idaho and Nevada, and on August 19, 1993, shooting Dr. George Tiller. These activities took place after she left Operation Rescue and the pro-life movement.</p>
<p>Cheryl Sullenger went the opposite direction. She was involved in anti-life anti-abortion activities until she was arrested in 1988 when she confessed to a conspiracy to bomb the Alvarado Medical Center abortion clinic. After serving two years in prison, she joined the real pro-life movement and renounced all violence. She now works as a Senior Policy Advisor for Operation Rescue and serves on the Central Committee of the 75th District of the San Diego Republican Party.</p>
<p>Scott Roeder was never allied with the pro-life movement. This is the statement released by Operation Rescue:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Scott Roeder has never been a member, contributor, or volunteer with Operation Rescue. Mr. Roeder may have posted to our open blog web site, as have thousands of members of the public, including those with pro-abortion views, but he is not affiliated with this organization.</p>
<p>We deplore the criminal actions with which Mr. Roeder is accused.</p>
<p>The pro-life ethic is to value all human life from the moment of conception until natural death. Operation Rescue has diligently and successfully worked for years through peaceful, legal means, and through the proper channels to see to it that abortionists around the nation are brought to justice. Without due process, there can be no justice.</p>
<p>In spite of these horrific events, we remain dedicated to working through all peaceful and legal means available to bring an end to the killing of innocent children through abortion.
</p></blockquote>
<p>As to Cheryl Sullenger&#8217;s connection with Scott Roeder, this is her response:</p>
<blockquote><p>
He would call and say, &#8216;When does court start? When&#8217;s the next hearing?&#8217; I was polite enough to give him the information. I had no reason not to. Who knew? Who knew, you know what I mean?
</p></blockquote>
<p>As to Mark Holick and Fred Phelps, I can&#8217;t take anyone seriously who groups them with ligament pro-life leaders like Archbishop Joseph Naumann (by the very nature of their office, all Catholic bishops are pro-life leaders). </p>
<p>Mark Holick is most famous for his sign that said, &#8220;America We Have a Muslim President This is a Sin Against The Lord! Ex. 20:3.&#8221; Mr. Holick seems to be under some delusion that the U.S. is some sort of Christian Holy Land. Even if President Obama where a Muslim, I fail to see how that violates the First Commandment. If Mr. Holick really did say that Dr. Tiller&#8217;s murder was &#8220;a miracle,&#8221; he just proved that he&#8217;s not really pro-life, and his willingness to follow Christ&#8217;s commandment to &#8220;love your enemies&#8221; is very questionable.</p>
<p>Fred Phelps also seems to have a problem loving his enemies. I even wonder if you can really call him a Christian. The Christian God is a God of love. Mr. Phelps&#8217; god appears to be a god of hate. This is evident in the slogans of his church, such as the one you pointed out, &#8220;God Hates Fags.&#8221; All followers of Christ should be completely appalled at such an insensitive and offensive statement. Another offensive slogan from this church is &#8220;Priests Rape Boys.&#8221; The anti-Catholic views of Mr. Phelps&#8217; church were clearly seen on their website the day after Pope John Paul II died. An altered photo of the pope appeared with horns emanating from his forehead with this caption:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Deal with it, you idolatrous morons! The pope is in Hell. Westboro Baptist Church members are competent expert witnesses, having picketed hundreds of Catholic churches in all fifty states over the past fourteen years. We will bear witness on Judgment Day: Catholics are the meanest, most violent people on Earth, and their churches are filled with filthy fag priests. On John Paul II&#8217;s watch, the Catholic Church became the CHURCH OF THE HOLY PEDOPHILES and sodomite feces and semen replaced bread and wine.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>I stand by the statement that Scott Roeder has no connection to any legitimate pro-life organisation.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/06/pro-life-means-pro-life/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott Roeder was allied with the &quot;pro-life&quot; movement for over a decade.  When he was arrested he had Cheryl Sullenger&#039;s cell phone # on the dash next to him. She is a leader in Operation Rescue and was previously convicted of plotting to bomb a clinic.

I believe Sullenger admits to having given Roeder information about Tiller, including where he lived and went to church.

There was at least one previous Operation Rescue attempt on Tiller&#039;s life when arsonist Shelley Shannon fired numerous shots at him, hitting him in both arms.

Wichita Pastor Mark Holick of the Spirit One Christian Church and Operation Save America was said to have called Tiller&#039;s assassination &quot;a miracle.&quot;  

Fred Phelps and his family of the &quot;God Hates Fags&quot; Westboro Baptist church rushed away from his important work of disrupting  GIs&#039; funerals to demonstrate at Tiller&#039;s vigil, the day of his death, and at his funeral a week later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott Roeder was allied with the &#8220;pro-life&#8221; movement for over a decade.  When he was arrested he had Cheryl Sullenger&#8217;s cell phone # on the dash next to him. She is a leader in Operation Rescue and was previously convicted of plotting to bomb a clinic.</p>
<p>I believe Sullenger admits to having given Roeder information about Tiller, including where he lived and went to church.</p>
<p>There was at least one previous Operation Rescue attempt on Tiller&#8217;s life when arsonist Shelley Shannon fired numerous shots at him, hitting him in both arms.</p>
<p>Wichita Pastor Mark Holick of the Spirit One Christian Church and Operation Save America was said to have called Tiller&#8217;s assassination &#8220;a miracle.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Fred Phelps and his family of the &#8220;God Hates Fags&#8221; Westboro Baptist church rushed away from his important work of disrupting  GIs&#8217; funerals to demonstrate at Tiller&#8217;s vigil, the day of his death, and at his funeral a week later.</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/06/pro-life-means-pro-life/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>rj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lifenews.com/nb214.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Archbishop Joseph Naumann has made a distinction between being anti-abortion and pro-life&lt;/a&gt;. Scott Roeder appears to be anti-abortion but not pro-life. The distinction has been made. From this point on, responsible media must make an effort to correctly label pro-life individuals and organisations as &quot;Pro-Life,&quot; and only use the label &quot;Anti-Abortion&quot; for individuals and organisations that are not pro-life but anti-abortion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like <a href="http://www.lifenews.com/nb214.html" rel="nofollow">Archbishop Joseph Naumann has made a distinction between being anti-abortion and pro-life</a>. Scott Roeder appears to be anti-abortion but not pro-life. The distinction has been made. From this point on, responsible media must make an effort to correctly label pro-life individuals and organisations as &#8220;Pro-Life,&#8221; and only use the label &#8220;Anti-Abortion&#8221; for individuals and organisations that are not pro-life but anti-abortion.</p>
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