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		<title>By: Bostonian</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/07/why-wasnt-hitler-excommunicated/comment-page-1/#comment-7222</link>
		<dc:creator>Bostonian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like another person has been getting caught up in baseless conspiracy theories...

If the Church hated the Jews, it wouldn&#039;t have saved them using its own resources and tens of thousands of priests wouldn&#039;t have gone to the death camps with them.

The only hate I see here is yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like another person has been getting caught up in baseless conspiracy theories&#8230;</p>
<p>If the Church hated the Jews, it wouldn&#8217;t have saved them using its own resources and tens of thousands of priests wouldn&#8217;t have gone to the death camps with them.</p>
<p>The only hate I see here is yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Stanley James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stanley James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 03:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t the church excommunicate Hitler?  He was by definition a catholic since he was baptised.

Simple reason - it was the Catholic church who gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people.  They were the Christ Killers, the drinkers of blood of infants etc.  This went on through a thousand years or more, with horrendus results, culminating in the Holocaust, WWII and 50 million deaths.

But for the church to have excommunicated hiter, it would have had to excommunicate itself.

Why - because the Catholic church gave hitler the lever - hatred of the Jews - to take over Germany.  And the rest is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t the church excommunicate Hitler?  He was by definition a catholic since he was baptised.</p>
<p>Simple reason &#8211; it was the Catholic church who gave the world the hatred of the Jews, Jesus own people.  They were the Christ Killers, the drinkers of blood of infants etc.  This went on through a thousand years or more, with horrendus results, culminating in the Holocaust, WWII and 50 million deaths.</p>
<p>But for the church to have excommunicated hiter, it would have had to excommunicate itself.</p>
<p>Why &#8211; because the Catholic church gave hitler the lever &#8211; hatred of the Jews &#8211; to take over Germany.  And the rest is history.</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/07/why-wasnt-hitler-excommunicated/comment-page-1/#comment-349</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In searching the internet about Pius XII, Hitler and the events leading up to World War II, I have found a few webpages that assert that the German Bishops excommunicated all member of the Nazi Party in 1930 or sometime later, much like the excommunication of all members of the Communist Party. None of these assertions refer to specific documents, so I&#039;m led to believe that they are false.

What may have been misinterpreted as excommunication is pastoral letters by the bishops of Berlin and Westphalia in 1930 condemning the Nazis. In that same year, the Bishop of Mainz affirmed that &quot;every Catholic is forbidden to be a member of the Nazi Party.&quot; The following year the Bavarian bishops, followed by the bishops in Cologne, Paderborn, and the upper Rhine made similar statements describing National Socialism as heretical and incompatible with Catholic teaching. By the end of the year &quot;the entire German episcopacy had declared itself against the movement.&quot; In 1932 a common pastoral letter made an all-inclusive prohibition on Nazi party membership, and forbid uniformed groups of National Socialists from attending Mass. The basic result of all this is pretty much the same as excommunication, but it was not an actual excommunication.

I got the above information from the book &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.ca/Righteous-Gentiles-Catholic-Church-Million/dp/1890626600/ref=sr_1_1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Righteous Gentiles: How Pius XII and the Catholic Church Saved Half a Million Jews from the Nazis&lt;/em&gt; by Ronald J. Rychlak&lt;/a&gt;. I read this book five week ago while I was on retreat. I&#039;m planning on writing a review of it, but I don&#039;t know when I&#039;ll have time to get around to it. I highly recommend this book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In searching the internet about Pius XII, Hitler and the events leading up to World War II, I have found a few webpages that assert that the German Bishops excommunicated all member of the Nazi Party in 1930 or sometime later, much like the excommunication of all members of the Communist Party. None of these assertions refer to specific documents, so I&#8217;m led to believe that they are false.</p>
<p>What may have been misinterpreted as excommunication is pastoral letters by the bishops of Berlin and Westphalia in 1930 condemning the Nazis. In that same year, the Bishop of Mainz affirmed that &#8220;every Catholic is forbidden to be a member of the Nazi Party.&#8221; The following year the Bavarian bishops, followed by the bishops in Cologne, Paderborn, and the upper Rhine made similar statements describing National Socialism as heretical and incompatible with Catholic teaching. By the end of the year &#8220;the entire German episcopacy had declared itself against the movement.&#8221; In 1932 a common pastoral letter made an all-inclusive prohibition on Nazi party membership, and forbid uniformed groups of National Socialists from attending Mass. The basic result of all this is pretty much the same as excommunication, but it was not an actual excommunication.</p>
<p>I got the above information from the book <a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Righteous-Gentiles-Catholic-Church-Million/dp/1890626600/ref=sr_1_1" rel="nofollow"><em>Righteous Gentiles: How Pius XII and the Catholic Church Saved Half a Million Jews from the Nazis</em> by Ronald J. Rychlak</a>. I read this book five week ago while I was on retreat. I&#8217;m planning on writing a review of it, but I don&#8217;t know when I&#8217;ll have time to get around to it. I highly recommend this book.</p>
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		<title>By: Tray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that the Catholic German Bishops excommunicated all members of the Nazi Party in 1930, as the head of the party that would have included Hitler.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that the Catholic German Bishops excommunicated all members of the Nazi Party in 1930, as the head of the party that would have included Hitler.</p>
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		<title>By: rj</title>
		<link>http://blog.grigaitis.net/2009/07/why-wasnt-hitler-excommunicated/comment-page-1/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>rj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT: JUST WHO IGNORED THE HOLOCAUST?
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=456&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=456&lt;/a&gt;

Posted Aug. 14, 2009 11:16 AM &#124;&#124; by Phil Lawler

The Vatican newspaper, L&#039;Osservatore Romano, has come in for some richly deserved criticism in recent months, publishing articles that have ranged from the inane (tributes to Michael Jackson and Easy Rider) to the damaging (a claim that Barack Obama is not pro-abortion). Still let&#039;s give credit where credit is due, and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=3777&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;latest attention-grabbing headline from L&#039;Osservatore&lt;/a&gt; deserves applause.

For many years now, critics of the Vatican have claimed that Pope Pius XII was silent in the face of the Holocaust. The criticism is unjustified; it ignores the ample evidence that the wartime Pontiff made great efforts, and took substantial personal risks, to save Jewish people from extermination. 

But if you are inclined to think that Pope Pius XII should have been more outspoken in his condemnation of Nazi racial policies, you really should be prepared to compare the Pope&#039;s statements with those of other world leaders. And since many of the calumnious accusations at the late Pontiff have come from the US, it&#039;s fair to ask the question that L&#039;Osservatore now finally raises: Were American diplomats any more outspoken than their Vatican counterparts?

The answer, unfortunately, is No. 

Unlike Pope Pius XII, American policy-makers from President Roosevelt on down through the ranks of the State Department were not facing personal threats from the Nazis; Hitler had not ordered up plans for them to be assassinated or kidnapped, as he apparently had with Pius XII. The Pope had to weigh the reality that when he spoke out against the Nazis, that regime would retaliate against both Catholics and Jews living in Europe under the control of the Third Reich. American leaders had no such concerns; their country was already at war with Germany, and bellicose statements were entirely appropriate.

Yet even in time of war, and even with clear evidence of what was happening in the concentration camps, the US government chose not to tell the world about the Holocaust. Nor were American leaders alone in their silence. If there&#039;s any reason to criticize Pope Pius XII on this score, there&#039;s far more reason to criticize Roosevelt and Churchill. And while we&#039;re at it, there&#039;s equal reason to criticize the New York Times, whose editors had their own evidence about the Holocaust, and sat on the story. Kudos to  L&#039;Osservatore Romano for printing a pointed reminder about people who live in glass houses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT: JUST WHO IGNORED THE HOLOCAUST?<br />
<a href="http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=456" rel="nofollow">http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/blog.cfm?id=456</a></p>
<p>Posted Aug. 14, 2009 11:16 AM || by Phil Lawler</p>
<p>The Vatican newspaper, L&#8217;Osservatore Romano, has come in for some richly deserved criticism in recent months, publishing articles that have ranged from the inane (tributes to Michael Jackson and Easy Rider) to the damaging (a claim that Barack Obama is not pro-abortion). Still let&#8217;s give credit where credit is due, and the <a href="http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=3777" rel="nofollow">latest attention-grabbing headline from L&#8217;Osservatore</a> deserves applause.</p>
<p>For many years now, critics of the Vatican have claimed that Pope Pius XII was silent in the face of the Holocaust. The criticism is unjustified; it ignores the ample evidence that the wartime Pontiff made great efforts, and took substantial personal risks, to save Jewish people from extermination. </p>
<p>But if you are inclined to think that Pope Pius XII should have been more outspoken in his condemnation of Nazi racial policies, you really should be prepared to compare the Pope&#8217;s statements with those of other world leaders. And since many of the calumnious accusations at the late Pontiff have come from the US, it&#8217;s fair to ask the question that L&#8217;Osservatore now finally raises: Were American diplomats any more outspoken than their Vatican counterparts?</p>
<p>The answer, unfortunately, is No. </p>
<p>Unlike Pope Pius XII, American policy-makers from President Roosevelt on down through the ranks of the State Department were not facing personal threats from the Nazis; Hitler had not ordered up plans for them to be assassinated or kidnapped, as he apparently had with Pius XII. The Pope had to weigh the reality that when he spoke out against the Nazis, that regime would retaliate against both Catholics and Jews living in Europe under the control of the Third Reich. American leaders had no such concerns; their country was already at war with Germany, and bellicose statements were entirely appropriate.</p>
<p>Yet even in time of war, and even with clear evidence of what was happening in the concentration camps, the US government chose not to tell the world about the Holocaust. Nor were American leaders alone in their silence. If there&#8217;s any reason to criticize Pope Pius XII on this score, there&#8217;s far more reason to criticize Roosevelt and Churchill. And while we&#8217;re at it, there&#8217;s equal reason to criticize the New York Times, whose editors had their own evidence about the Holocaust, and sat on the story. Kudos to  L&#8217;Osservatore Romano for printing a pointed reminder about people who live in glass houses.</p>
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